1 00:00:04,309 --> 00:00:02,710 good afternoon thank you for joining us 2 00:00:06,909 --> 00:00:04,319 here at nasa's kennedy space center in 3 00:00:09,589 --> 00:00:06,919 florida for the space shuttle endeavor 4 00:00:12,070 --> 00:00:09,599 sts-134 pre-launch news conference 5 00:00:14,549 --> 00:00:12,080 joining me today is mike moses mission 6 00:00:16,630 --> 00:00:14,559 management team chair and manager of the 7 00:00:18,710 --> 00:00:16,640 space shuttle launch integration 8 00:00:21,109 --> 00:00:18,720 good afternoon mike leinbach shuttle 9 00:00:22,950 --> 00:00:21,119 launch director good afternoon and kathy 10 00:00:24,150 --> 00:00:22,960 winters shuttle weather officer good 11 00:00:25,429 --> 00:00:24,160 afternoon 12 00:00:27,990 --> 00:00:25,439 we'll hear from our panelists and then 13 00:00:30,070 --> 00:00:28,000 take questions mr moses thanks kendra 14 00:00:32,229 --> 00:00:30,080 let's see we had a really good meeting 15 00:00:33,430 --> 00:00:32,239 today uh unanimous consent from the 16 00:00:34,709 --> 00:00:33,440 mission management team to press on with 17 00:00:37,270 --> 00:00:34,719 the launch countdown everything's in 18 00:00:38,630 --> 00:00:37,280 really great shape uh really no issues 19 00:00:40,950 --> 00:00:38,640 at all working 20 00:00:43,110 --> 00:00:40,960 we took our time to walk through uh the 21 00:00:45,270 --> 00:00:43,120 issue that caused the launch scrub last 22 00:00:47,190 --> 00:00:45,280 time the ap1 heater problem to make sure 23 00:00:49,110 --> 00:00:47,200 we truly understood our resolution and 24 00:00:51,430 --> 00:00:49,120 our fix that everybody had a chance to 25 00:00:53,110 --> 00:00:51,440 see that uh and and some of our 26 00:00:54,229 --> 00:00:53,120 independent teams that that haven't been 27 00:00:55,830 --> 00:00:54,239 paying attention to the nitty gritty 28 00:00:57,350 --> 00:00:55,840 details as we've been going through them 29 00:00:59,349 --> 00:00:57,360 down here 30 00:01:01,670 --> 00:00:59,359 and everybody was was fine with that so 31 00:01:04,869 --> 00:01:01,680 to give you the reader's digest version 32 00:01:06,789 --> 00:01:04,879 uh on launch day uh we had a heater in 33 00:01:08,310 --> 00:01:06,799 the apu system not working the auxiliary 34 00:01:09,750 --> 00:01:08,320 power unit system 35 00:01:11,429 --> 00:01:09,760 one of two redundant heaters and the 36 00:01:13,030 --> 00:01:11,439 rules requires to have both operational 37 00:01:14,710 --> 00:01:13,040 before we can fly 38 00:01:15,990 --> 00:01:14,720 worries about freezing concerns once you 39 00:01:18,070 --> 00:01:16,000 get in orbit 40 00:01:19,350 --> 00:01:18,080 so we scrubbed and went in and started 41 00:01:20,950 --> 00:01:19,360 our troubleshooting and found that those 42 00:01:22,149 --> 00:01:20,960 heaters weren't getting power they 43 00:01:23,910 --> 00:01:22,159 weren't getting power because one of the 44 00:01:25,510 --> 00:01:23,920 power distribution boxes had a fuse 45 00:01:27,190 --> 00:01:25,520 inside it blown 46 00:01:30,230 --> 00:01:27,200 that that blown fuse was caused by an 47 00:01:31,350 --> 00:01:30,240 external short external to that box and 48 00:01:33,190 --> 00:01:31,360 and through some really good data 49 00:01:34,310 --> 00:01:33,200 investigation the teams found that that 50 00:01:36,710 --> 00:01:34,320 the cause of that short actually 51 00:01:39,190 --> 00:01:36,720 occurred back in june when we were in 52 00:01:41,350 --> 00:01:39,200 the opf the order processing facility 53 00:01:42,389 --> 00:01:41,360 doing some testing on that circuit 54 00:01:44,310 --> 00:01:42,399 we had 55 00:01:46,630 --> 00:01:44,320 either come in contact with 56 00:01:48,389 --> 00:01:46,640 a connector on the thermostat that was 57 00:01:50,310 --> 00:01:48,399 already had already had bare metal on it 58 00:01:51,990 --> 00:01:50,320 or the testing itself caused that 59 00:01:53,109 --> 00:01:52,000 inadvertent contact and created the bare 60 00:01:54,550 --> 00:01:53,119 metal short 61 00:01:57,510 --> 00:01:54,560 but basically we found bare metal 62 00:01:59,190 --> 00:01:57,520 exposed wiring uh over a very small area 63 00:02:01,030 --> 00:01:59,200 but enough that it was in a locale that 64 00:02:02,389 --> 00:02:01,040 could have caused the short we knew we 65 00:02:04,069 --> 00:02:02,399 were working on the circuit at the time 66 00:02:06,149 --> 00:02:04,079 that the shorts showed up in our in our 67 00:02:08,229 --> 00:02:06,159 data so really conclusive proof that 68 00:02:09,430 --> 00:02:08,239 that was the cause and that was the 69 00:02:10,710 --> 00:02:09,440 problem 70 00:02:12,550 --> 00:02:10,720 even if we were wrong the 71 00:02:14,150 --> 00:02:12,560 troubleshooting we did because we hadn't 72 00:02:16,470 --> 00:02:14,160 found that smoking gun until the end of 73 00:02:17,830 --> 00:02:16,480 the the the line 74 00:02:20,309 --> 00:02:17,840 we had already replaced a bunch of 75 00:02:21,589 --> 00:02:20,319 wiring replaced a bunch of parts 76 00:02:23,670 --> 00:02:21,599 some of that had to be done just because 77 00:02:25,589 --> 00:02:23,680 the the fuse in the in the left af load 78 00:02:27,350 --> 00:02:25,599 control assembly box had blown and we 79 00:02:28,949 --> 00:02:27,360 needed to pull that box out 80 00:02:30,309 --> 00:02:28,959 so we had to do that work anyway but we 81 00:02:31,750 --> 00:02:30,319 went ahead and did some extra work just 82 00:02:33,509 --> 00:02:31,760 to be uh 83 00:02:35,350 --> 00:02:33,519 ultra conservative and when we were 84 00:02:37,110 --> 00:02:35,360 doing it we didn't quite know cause now 85 00:02:38,630 --> 00:02:37,120 we know cause we can look back and say 86 00:02:40,630 --> 00:02:38,640 some of that work wasn't required but it 87 00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:40,640 does give us further protection in case 88 00:02:43,670 --> 00:02:41,920 we are wrong 89 00:02:45,030 --> 00:02:43,680 that that tiny little chance that there 90 00:02:46,790 --> 00:02:45,040 was some other smart problem happening 91 00:02:47,990 --> 00:02:46,800 at the same time 92 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:48,000 and so 93 00:02:52,229 --> 00:02:51,040 did an amazing job 94 00:02:54,229 --> 00:02:52,239 you look at some of the stuff they're 95 00:02:56,550 --> 00:02:54,239 taking this thermostat that's got a 96 00:02:57,830 --> 00:02:56,560 nickel wire running to it a conductor 97 00:02:59,190 --> 00:02:57,840 wire or it's actually a copper wire with 98 00:03:00,390 --> 00:02:59,200 nickel coating on it 99 00:03:02,229 --> 00:03:00,400 they're able to go with a scanning 100 00:03:04,149 --> 00:03:02,239 electron microscope and zoom down and 101 00:03:06,630 --> 00:03:04,159 find that there's tooling marks where 102 00:03:08,630 --> 00:03:06,640 the metal was scraped you can see uh 103 00:03:10,229 --> 00:03:08,640 melted insulation from the heat of the 104 00:03:12,550 --> 00:03:10,239 of the event the only piece that's 105 00:03:14,630 --> 00:03:12,560 missing is the molten metal that you 106 00:03:17,589 --> 00:03:14,640 would see as an arc jumped from the bare 107 00:03:19,270 --> 00:03:17,599 wire to whatever ground plane it had 108 00:03:20,630 --> 00:03:19,280 but we were actually at the time heating 109 00:03:22,390 --> 00:03:20,640 this thermostat up with a heat gun that 110 00:03:23,910 --> 00:03:22,400 has a metal tip on it 111 00:03:25,350 --> 00:03:23,920 if we inadvertently managed to touch 112 00:03:26,949 --> 00:03:25,360 that metal tip to the wire it would have 113 00:03:28,550 --> 00:03:26,959 melted directly through the insulator 114 00:03:30,789 --> 00:03:28,560 come in direct contact with the wire and 115 00:03:33,110 --> 00:03:30,799 shorted without an arc jumping the gap 116 00:03:35,030 --> 00:03:33,120 so we postulate that's what happened and 117 00:03:37,750 --> 00:03:35,040 again you could be a lawyer to say that 118 00:03:39,750 --> 00:03:37,760 we haven't exactly proven that was 119 00:03:42,149 --> 00:03:39,760 exactly it but in our minds we are good 120 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:42,159 to go and we have no problems uh no 121 00:03:45,990 --> 00:03:44,080 problems expected with this apu heater 122 00:03:47,430 --> 00:03:46,000 anymore in this count so the team's got 123 00:03:49,990 --> 00:03:47,440 that all done like i said it required 124 00:03:52,390 --> 00:03:50,000 some pretty extensive retest and rework 125 00:03:54,710 --> 00:03:52,400 we did all that work 126 00:03:56,070 --> 00:03:54,720 nothing else really happened to us while 127 00:03:57,589 --> 00:03:56,080 we were down we had to change out a few 128 00:03:59,270 --> 00:03:57,599 batteries here and there 129 00:04:00,789 --> 00:03:59,280 and and then do the standard freshening 130 00:04:02,309 --> 00:04:00,799 up of the stuff in the crew cabin and 131 00:04:04,470 --> 00:04:02,319 and reload payloads and experiments in 132 00:04:06,070 --> 00:04:04,480 the crew cabin um other than that 133 00:04:08,229 --> 00:04:06,080 everything was great we we didn't talk 134 00:04:09,670 --> 00:04:08,239 much today looking ahead to launch 135 00:04:11,270 --> 00:04:09,680 countdown the system looks good the 136 00:04:12,550 --> 00:04:11,280 weather looks pretty good uh and we 137 00:04:14,789 --> 00:04:12,560 should be in real good shape for launch 138 00:04:16,710 --> 00:04:14,799 on monday morning uh with that turn over 139 00:04:18,550 --> 00:04:16,720 mike okay thanks mike we'll see the 140 00:04:20,629 --> 00:04:18,560 countdown for endeavors final mission is 141 00:04:22,390 --> 00:04:20,639 going extremely well we got the uh the 142 00:04:24,469 --> 00:04:22,400 cryogenic fuels on board for the fuel 143 00:04:25,990 --> 00:04:24,479 cell system today don't have the final 144 00:04:28,390 --> 00:04:26,000 numbers yet but i expect we'll have a 145 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:28,400 good good full seven days plus hold time 146 00:04:32,790 --> 00:04:30,080 on on fuel cell 147 00:04:35,030 --> 00:04:32,800 cryos so no issue there next major 148 00:04:36,070 --> 00:04:35,040 milestone is rss retract tomorrow 149 00:04:37,590 --> 00:04:36,080 afternoon at 150 00:04:39,030 --> 00:04:37,600 noon time and we'll take a good hard 151 00:04:41,270 --> 00:04:39,040 look at the weather before we do that we 152 00:04:43,110 --> 00:04:41,280 have lightning commit criteria for that 153 00:04:45,189 --> 00:04:43,120 and we'll take a look and make sure that 154 00:04:46,870 --> 00:04:45,199 we're well within those criteria before 155 00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:46,880 we rotate the rss 156 00:04:51,270 --> 00:04:49,120 tanking for uh for launch begins just 157 00:04:53,110 --> 00:04:51,280 before midnight tomorrow night 158 00:04:54,469 --> 00:04:53,120 standard three-hour tanking 159 00:04:56,310 --> 00:04:54,479 and it leads up to the opening the 160 00:04:58,710 --> 00:04:56,320 launch window 161 00:04:59,909 --> 00:04:58,720 monday morning at 8 56 eastern time 162 00:05:01,749 --> 00:04:59,919 we're not working any issues in the 163 00:05:04,310 --> 00:05:01,759 launch countdown the team's team is 164 00:05:05,909 --> 00:05:04,320 ready to go and hopefully have a good 165 00:05:09,270 --> 00:05:05,919 lift off monday morning for mark kelly 166 00:05:12,870 --> 00:05:11,350 and for weather we do have a lot of 167 00:05:14,310 --> 00:05:12,880 weather in the area right now in fact if 168 00:05:15,830 --> 00:05:14,320 you were in this room with us like we 169 00:05:17,909 --> 00:05:15,840 are you can hear the thunder rumbling 170 00:05:20,629 --> 00:05:17,919 overhead we've had some thunderstorms 171 00:05:22,310 --> 00:05:20,639 roll in from the west we also issued 172 00:05:24,550 --> 00:05:22,320 some wind warnings and lightning 173 00:05:25,990 --> 00:05:24,560 warnings as well as a hail warning and 174 00:05:27,830 --> 00:05:26,000 that was mainly due to the fact we saw 175 00:05:29,350 --> 00:05:27,840 these thunderstorms coming across as we 176 00:05:31,430 --> 00:05:29,360 expected and we had a sea breeze sitting 177 00:05:33,749 --> 00:05:31,440 over the coast here so we expected 178 00:05:35,270 --> 00:05:33,759 weather to converge overhead which it 179 00:05:36,629 --> 00:05:35,280 has there's also a couple more waves 180 00:05:38,150 --> 00:05:36,639 that are coming because of a trough 181 00:05:39,830 --> 00:05:38,160 that's moving in from the west so we 182 00:05:41,749 --> 00:05:39,840 expect some more weather throughout the 183 00:05:43,270 --> 00:05:41,759 afternoon and into the evening now the 184 00:05:44,950 --> 00:05:43,280 good news is by tomorrow the weather 185 00:05:48,150 --> 00:05:44,960 should all be pushing out gradually and 186 00:05:50,070 --> 00:05:48,160 so by rss retract time the weather is 187 00:05:51,029 --> 00:05:50,080 going to be improving so and as we go 188 00:05:52,950 --> 00:05:51,039 through the day tomorrow we'll be 189 00:05:55,430 --> 00:05:52,960 improving so for ourselves retract 190 00:05:57,830 --> 00:05:55,440 weather looking promising also as we get 191 00:06:00,309 --> 00:05:57,840 into tanking and then by launch time our 192 00:06:01,990 --> 00:06:00,319 main concern is going to be cross winds 193 00:06:03,350 --> 00:06:02,000 at the shuttle landing facility and 194 00:06:04,950 --> 00:06:03,360 there's a slight chance of a low cloud 195 00:06:07,189 --> 00:06:04,960 ceiling as well so right now we're 196 00:06:08,950 --> 00:06:07,199 forecasting a 30 chance of ksc weather 197 00:06:10,309 --> 00:06:08,960 prohibiting launch 198 00:06:12,390 --> 00:06:10,319 looking at the satellite picture you can 199 00:06:14,070 --> 00:06:12,400 see that we do have a lot of weather 200 00:06:15,830 --> 00:06:14,080 that's uh rolling through florida right 201 00:06:17,029 --> 00:06:15,840 now with the trough what's going on is 202 00:06:18,870 --> 00:06:17,039 there's an upper level low up to the 203 00:06:21,270 --> 00:06:18,880 north and with that there's some surface 204 00:06:23,110 --> 00:06:21,280 troughs that generally work like bicycle 205 00:06:25,909 --> 00:06:23,120 spokes going around the low coming 206 00:06:28,230 --> 00:06:25,919 through uh florida so we expect a wave a 207 00:06:29,749 --> 00:06:28,240 couple waves today and the big one 208 00:06:31,749 --> 00:06:29,759 really coming through this evening in 209 00:06:34,230 --> 00:06:31,759 the overnight hours pushing out by rss 210 00:06:36,469 --> 00:06:34,240 retract time now as we go into uh 211 00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:36,479 tanking weather will be improving and 212 00:06:40,150 --> 00:06:38,000 good and then by launch time again 213 00:06:41,510 --> 00:06:40,160 favorable uh so again thirty percent 214 00:06:43,749 --> 00:06:41,520 chance for kc weather programming launch 215 00:06:45,189 --> 00:06:43,759 now if we happen to delay 24 hours our 216 00:06:47,110 --> 00:06:45,199 main concern will just be another trough 217 00:06:48,950 --> 00:06:47,120 rolling through and so we actually are 218 00:06:51,110 --> 00:06:48,960 more concerned on tuesday about cross 219 00:06:53,350 --> 00:06:51,120 winds low cloud ceilings and showers 220 00:06:55,029 --> 00:06:53,360 within 20 nautical miles so with that 221 00:06:57,430 --> 00:06:55,039 we've increased the number on tuesday to 222 00:06:59,350 --> 00:06:57,440 a 60 percent chance of ksc weather 223 00:07:00,390 --> 00:06:59,360 prohibiting launch by wednesday it looks 224 00:07:02,390 --> 00:07:00,400 like a lot of the moisture is going to 225 00:07:04,150 --> 00:07:02,400 be pushed off to the east we do still 226 00:07:06,070 --> 00:07:04,160 have some crosswind concerns though so 227 00:07:07,670 --> 00:07:06,080 with just a 20 percent chance though on 228 00:07:09,510 --> 00:07:07,680 wednesday for ksc weather prohibiting 229 00:07:11,909 --> 00:07:09,520 launch as for the towel sites the 230 00:07:13,990 --> 00:07:11,919 weather looks good at two tile sites on 231 00:07:15,909 --> 00:07:14,000 launch day so overall it's looking 232 00:07:19,189 --> 00:07:15,919 promising for launch with again a 30 233 00:07:20,710 --> 00:07:19,199 chance of kc weather branding launch 234 00:07:22,309 --> 00:07:20,720 thank you we'll now hear from our 235 00:07:23,670 --> 00:07:22,319 panelists when the microphone comes your 236 00:07:24,870 --> 00:07:23,680 way please state your name your 237 00:07:26,230 --> 00:07:24,880 affiliation and to whom you're 238 00:07:27,749 --> 00:07:26,240 addressing your questions we'll start 239 00:07:29,670 --> 00:07:27,759 over here with marcia please marc 240 00:07:32,390 --> 00:07:29,680 shadown associated press do either of 241 00:07:35,270 --> 00:07:32,400 you gentlemen have any new crowd count 242 00:07:37,350 --> 00:07:35,280 coming any estimate and given the poor 243 00:07:39,270 --> 00:07:37,360 forecast on tuesday morning would you be 244 00:07:40,629 --> 00:07:39,280 inclined because of crowds and bad 245 00:07:42,230 --> 00:07:40,639 weather to just skip from monday to 246 00:07:43,510 --> 00:07:42,240 wednesday for a second attempt if you 247 00:07:45,589 --> 00:07:43,520 need it 248 00:07:47,990 --> 00:07:45,599 see we did check with our nasa security 249 00:07:49,990 --> 00:07:48,000 folks are in contact with all the local 250 00:07:51,909 --> 00:07:50,000 police departments and and the state 251 00:07:54,230 --> 00:07:51,919 highway patrol the estimate now is about 252 00:07:55,670 --> 00:07:54,240 500 000 people and you'll recall for the 253 00:07:57,589 --> 00:07:55,680 first launch attempt on that friday 254 00:07:59,510 --> 00:07:57,599 afternoon the estimate was between 500 255 00:08:00,950 --> 00:07:59,520 and 750 000 256 00:08:03,270 --> 00:08:00,960 so they're not quite expecting that big 257 00:08:05,510 --> 00:08:03,280 surge tomorrow but still uh be a heck of 258 00:08:07,350 --> 00:08:05,520 a traffic jam tomorrow after launch 259 00:08:09,350 --> 00:08:07,360 and uh you know as as mike and i have 260 00:08:10,550 --> 00:08:09,360 talked before about the 24 versus 48 261 00:08:11,990 --> 00:08:10,560 it's really going to be dependent on the 262 00:08:13,749 --> 00:08:12,000 day 263 00:08:15,270 --> 00:08:13,759 the traffic will play into a little bit 264 00:08:17,110 --> 00:08:15,280 the weather obviously plays into it the 265 00:08:19,510 --> 00:08:17,120 next day so a number of factors goes 266 00:08:20,710 --> 00:08:19,520 into the scrub turnaround decision so 267 00:08:23,110 --> 00:08:20,720 can't commit right now one way or the 268 00:08:27,350 --> 00:08:25,110 okay clara 269 00:08:29,270 --> 00:08:27,360 hi clara moskowitz with space.com and 270 00:08:30,869 --> 00:08:29,280 i'm just wondering if there's a point in 271 00:08:32,709 --> 00:08:30,879 the countdown that you'll know for sure 272 00:08:33,829 --> 00:08:32,719 that the heater issue is no longer a 273 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:33,839 problem 274 00:08:38,230 --> 00:08:36,159 um let's see so after the tanks are the 275 00:08:39,909 --> 00:08:38,240 et's loaded we cycle those on with 276 00:08:42,149 --> 00:08:39,919 ground commands normally just the b 277 00:08:44,310 --> 00:08:42,159 heaters are used pre-launch and then 278 00:08:45,430 --> 00:08:44,320 they're deactivated right before liftoff 279 00:08:46,790 --> 00:08:45,440 and then the crew will turn them on 280 00:08:47,670 --> 00:08:46,800 manually once they get in orbit this 281 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:47,680 time we're going to go ahead and check 282 00:08:52,150 --> 00:08:50,240 the a and the b just to double check 283 00:08:54,150 --> 00:08:52,160 as part of the troubleshooting 284 00:08:55,990 --> 00:08:54,160 we kind of have have run functionals on 285 00:08:57,350 --> 00:08:56,000 all those thermostats we know they work 286 00:08:59,190 --> 00:08:57,360 we know the temp the heaters work we 287 00:09:00,870 --> 00:08:59,200 know all the wiring works um the only 288 00:09:02,230 --> 00:09:00,880 thing we haven't done is is check it at 289 00:09:03,910 --> 00:09:02,240 the environment that it would see on 290 00:09:06,230 --> 00:09:03,920 launch day and so it's worth one more 291 00:09:07,750 --> 00:09:06,240 check there just to make sure too but uh 292 00:09:09,430 --> 00:09:07,760 we're not really doing it based on the 293 00:09:10,470 --> 00:09:09,440 cause we now know there's really no need 294 00:09:11,750 --> 00:09:10,480 for that check but we're going to go and 295 00:09:13,509 --> 00:09:11,760 do it anyway 296 00:09:15,590 --> 00:09:13,519 and that'll be that'll be after unstable 297 00:09:17,350 --> 00:09:15,600 replenish after all the crows are on 298 00:09:19,590 --> 00:09:17,360 board the tanks so somewhere between 2 299 00:09:21,350 --> 00:09:19,600 30 and 5 tomorrow or monday morning 300 00:09:22,949 --> 00:09:21,360 something like that 301 00:09:27,590 --> 00:09:22,959 todd 302 00:09:30,710 --> 00:09:27,600 and a follow if i could first for kathy 303 00:09:33,590 --> 00:09:30,720 could you remind me of the lightning 304 00:09:35,110 --> 00:09:33,600 criteria for rss rollback please 305 00:09:36,630 --> 00:09:35,120 sure there's a we can't have more than a 306 00:09:38,230 --> 00:09:36,640 twenty percent chance of lightning 307 00:09:41,190 --> 00:09:38,240 within five 308 00:09:43,030 --> 00:09:41,200 for our accessory tract okay and for uh 309 00:09:46,389 --> 00:09:43,040 for mike lineback um you're gonna be 310 00:09:48,230 --> 00:09:46,399 going into a uh firing room where you 311 00:09:49,430 --> 00:09:48,240 know a number of people this week uh 312 00:09:52,470 --> 00:09:49,440 received 313 00:09:54,949 --> 00:09:52,480 warn notices and i was just wondering 314 00:09:57,750 --> 00:09:54,959 what your thoughts are 315 00:10:01,190 --> 00:09:57,760 with going into a countdown with layoff 316 00:10:03,110 --> 00:10:01,200 notices uh going out to the workforce 317 00:10:04,870 --> 00:10:03,120 well you know todd we've known this has 318 00:10:07,110 --> 00:10:04,880 been coming for quite some time the 319 00:10:09,590 --> 00:10:07,120 timing is is probably not ideal as you 320 00:10:11,190 --> 00:10:09,600 as you point out the team is extremely 321 00:10:13,269 --> 00:10:11,200 professional uh 322 00:10:15,030 --> 00:10:13,279 and so the mood uh you know as we've 323 00:10:18,230 --> 00:10:15,040 talked about before the mood 324 00:10:19,990 --> 00:10:18,240 is a little bit down cast right now when 325 00:10:21,110 --> 00:10:20,000 you get off console and you're and 326 00:10:22,710 --> 00:10:21,120 you're talking to your friends in the 327 00:10:24,470 --> 00:10:22,720 hallway that's that's when you talk 328 00:10:26,630 --> 00:10:24,480 about things like this but when we're on 329 00:10:27,590 --> 00:10:26,640 console doing our job looking at our 330 00:10:28,389 --> 00:10:27,600 data 331 00:10:30,550 --> 00:10:28,399 we're 332 00:10:32,389 --> 00:10:30,560 i have no new work no worries at all 333 00:10:34,470 --> 00:10:32,399 about the team and being able to 334 00:10:35,829 --> 00:10:34,480 make the right calls on monday really 335 00:10:37,350 --> 00:10:35,839 throughout the whole remaining the 336 00:10:40,150 --> 00:10:37,360 countdown 337 00:10:41,910 --> 00:10:40,160 so timing's a little unfortunate yes 338 00:10:42,710 --> 00:10:41,920 but we've all known it's been coming and 339 00:10:44,310 --> 00:10:42,720 now 340 00:10:45,910 --> 00:10:44,320 people can can definitely plan their 341 00:10:48,389 --> 00:10:45,920 futures knowing knowing which way 342 00:10:49,430 --> 00:10:48,399 they're going to be going 343 00:10:53,750 --> 00:10:49,440 bill 344 00:10:55,910 --> 00:10:53,760 mike moses um just a chronology question 345 00:10:57,030 --> 00:10:55,920 on the presume short that was in june of 346 00:10:58,790 --> 00:10:57,040 last year 347 00:11:01,190 --> 00:10:58,800 when the spike occurred i guess that was 348 00:11:03,350 --> 00:11:01,200 in the data and that system that ran 349 00:11:05,509 --> 00:11:03,360 through alca2 that circuit card or 350 00:11:07,430 --> 00:11:05,519 hybrid driver i guess that never got 351 00:11:09,509 --> 00:11:07,440 powered until you're into fueling and 352 00:11:11,430 --> 00:11:09,519 launch counts i mean whatever happened 353 00:11:12,630 --> 00:11:11,440 back in june was simply undetected until 354 00:11:14,790 --> 00:11:12,640 you guys started trying to cycle 355 00:11:16,630 --> 00:11:14,800 thermostats when the aft got cold yeah 356 00:11:18,790 --> 00:11:16,640 you got it exactly right okay and the 357 00:11:20,949 --> 00:11:18,800 way it works is you know we have a bunch 358 00:11:22,310 --> 00:11:20,959 of heaters on the ship and and uh 359 00:11:23,829 --> 00:11:22,320 to go in and test them on the ground 360 00:11:25,829 --> 00:11:23,839 you'd have to basically go physically to 361 00:11:28,230 --> 00:11:25,839 each thermostat and cool it down with 362 00:11:30,710 --> 00:11:28,240 some some cool mist to make it colder in 363 00:11:32,230 --> 00:11:30,720 there than the ambient so in space that 364 00:11:32,949 --> 00:11:32,240 heater doesn't kick on 365 00:11:33,990 --> 00:11:32,959 uh 366 00:11:35,509 --> 00:11:34,000 at the temperatures that we are down 367 00:11:36,870 --> 00:11:35,519 here on the ground and so you'd have to 368 00:11:38,470 --> 00:11:36,880 go physically to every single heater in 369 00:11:40,230 --> 00:11:38,480 the af compartment and traffic wise that 370 00:11:41,670 --> 00:11:40,240 would take a lot of you're likely to 371 00:11:43,190 --> 00:11:41,680 cause a lot of collateral damage trying 372 00:11:45,430 --> 00:11:43,200 to go verify functionality of every 373 00:11:47,030 --> 00:11:45,440 single thermostat in the ship so we use 374 00:11:48,470 --> 00:11:47,040 our on-orbit time frame to check out the 375 00:11:52,069 --> 00:11:48,480 heaters 376 00:11:53,269 --> 00:11:52,079 and regulators other things that are 377 00:11:55,430 --> 00:11:53,279 hard to check if you're not really going 378 00:11:56,949 --> 00:11:55,440 to flow the system like in the ohms rcs 379 00:11:58,629 --> 00:11:56,959 system uh 380 00:11:59,829 --> 00:11:58,639 to to check that a regulator is working 381 00:12:01,110 --> 00:11:59,839 you have to go flow propellant through 382 00:12:03,509 --> 00:12:01,120 it you really don't want to do that in 383 00:12:05,269 --> 00:12:03,519 the opf if you don't have to so on orbit 384 00:12:06,389 --> 00:12:05,279 we we use we split the mission in half 385 00:12:08,710 --> 00:12:06,399 and for the first half of the mission we 386 00:12:09,990 --> 00:12:08,720 check out the the a side of the system 387 00:12:11,190 --> 00:12:10,000 and then we switch everything over on 388 00:12:13,030 --> 00:12:11,200 the second half of orbit we're checking 389 00:12:15,190 --> 00:12:13,040 out the b side so we verify 390 00:12:17,110 --> 00:12:15,200 functionality and operation in orbit but 391 00:12:18,870 --> 00:12:17,120 uh the over temp thermostats don't get 392 00:12:20,230 --> 00:12:18,880 checked out in orbit and so 393 00:12:21,750 --> 00:12:20,240 obviously unless the heater's failed and 394 00:12:23,750 --> 00:12:21,760 running away that overtemp's not going 395 00:12:25,190 --> 00:12:23,760 to work so on an interval in this case i 396 00:12:26,710 --> 00:12:25,200 think it was a four year interval that 397 00:12:28,870 --> 00:12:26,720 was due to come in and physically check 398 00:12:30,470 --> 00:12:28,880 functionality the overtemp and if you 399 00:12:32,150 --> 00:12:30,480 look at it from a process standpoint at 400 00:12:33,590 --> 00:12:32,160 the high level that's a little bit of an 401 00:12:35,509 --> 00:12:33,600 oversight right we verify that the 402 00:12:37,269 --> 00:12:35,519 heater works when it was in orbit and 403 00:12:39,509 --> 00:12:37,279 then we come back and verify that it now 404 00:12:41,269 --> 00:12:39,519 doesn't work like it's supposed to and 405 00:12:43,190 --> 00:12:41,279 we had the magic bullet happen is in the 406 00:12:44,790 --> 00:12:43,200 testing to make sure it didn't work we 407 00:12:46,790 --> 00:12:44,800 broke it and we didn't know that we 408 00:12:48,389 --> 00:12:46,800 broke it we thought it was not working 409 00:12:50,310 --> 00:12:48,399 because it was supposed to not work and 410 00:12:51,670 --> 00:12:50,320 then we didn't go back and re-verify 411 00:12:53,590 --> 00:12:51,680 functionality after we did the 412 00:12:55,110 --> 00:12:53,600 non-functional check so 413 00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:55,120 you kind of go through that and you say 414 00:12:57,990 --> 00:12:56,560 well that's in hindsight a pretty 415 00:12:59,670 --> 00:12:58,000 obvious thing but it's a it's a good 416 00:13:01,509 --> 00:12:59,680 example of the level of thought 417 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:01,519 processes that 418 00:13:04,629 --> 00:13:03,360 both in 30 years of flying the shuttle 419 00:13:07,350 --> 00:13:04,639 you can have something like this kind of 420 00:13:08,629 --> 00:13:07,360 creep through and in in flying a shuttle 421 00:13:11,509 --> 00:13:08,639 that you recognize how thorough we 422 00:13:12,949 --> 00:13:11,519 really do need to be to verify you know 423 00:13:14,310 --> 00:13:12,959 something like a heater and when you 424 00:13:16,069 --> 00:13:14,320 check it and what you do in that system 425 00:13:17,990 --> 00:13:16,079 right after that is actually pretty 426 00:13:20,710 --> 00:13:18,000 important when we were talking about all 427 00:13:22,470 --> 00:13:20,720 these re-tests we do we do it because 428 00:13:24,150 --> 00:13:22,480 the ben pin analysis that we do shows 429 00:13:25,750 --> 00:13:24,160 that in any given connector you want to 430 00:13:27,670 --> 00:13:25,760 make sure that if one connector pin 431 00:13:29,190 --> 00:13:27,680 bends and touches another connector pin 432 00:13:30,710 --> 00:13:29,200 right next to it that those two 433 00:13:32,470 --> 00:13:30,720 functions that short together are in 434 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:32,480 some critical system that would then 435 00:13:36,310 --> 00:13:35,040 cause loss of of crew or vehicles so i 436 00:13:38,550 --> 00:13:36,320 mean the amount of redundancy and 437 00:13:40,470 --> 00:13:38,560 analysis that's put into the retest when 438 00:13:41,829 --> 00:13:40,480 we break apart a system to verify that 439 00:13:43,829 --> 00:13:41,839 we put it back together properly is 440 00:13:45,590 --> 00:13:43,839 again a great example of how thorough we 441 00:13:47,189 --> 00:13:45,600 are this one's one of those that we 442 00:13:48,629 --> 00:13:47,199 probably weren't quite as thorough as we 443 00:13:49,670 --> 00:13:48,639 should have been but when you're 444 00:13:51,030 --> 00:13:49,680 thinking about it from a heater 445 00:13:51,990 --> 00:13:51,040 functionality standpoint you who would 446 00:13:53,350 --> 00:13:52,000 have thought that that would have been 447 00:13:55,670 --> 00:13:53,360 something you really needed to go double 448 00:13:57,430 --> 00:13:55,680 check so so we learned a lesson and 449 00:13:58,949 --> 00:13:57,440 hopefully in the next shuttle we'll 450 00:13:59,829 --> 00:13:58,959 we'll uh we'll design a little better 451 00:14:01,590 --> 00:13:59,839 test 452 00:14:03,350 --> 00:14:01,600 well i'll go off and try to get all that 453 00:14:04,870 --> 00:14:03,360 detail on our story so 454 00:14:07,030 --> 00:14:04,880 yeah i'm sure 455 00:14:08,629 --> 00:14:07,040 i'm kidding uh the uh the other question 456 00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:08,639 i had too is in the aft when you fuel 457 00:14:11,990 --> 00:14:10,240 and maybe mike lineback knows better 458 00:14:13,750 --> 00:14:12,000 what is ambient in the aft when you when 459 00:14:14,389 --> 00:14:13,760 you tank's full in your flooring i'm 460 00:14:15,269 --> 00:14:14,399 just trying to understand the 461 00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:15,279 temperature that would cause the 462 00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:17,199 thermostats to start cycling 463 00:14:20,230 --> 00:14:18,480 yeah i was going to say we i don't know 464 00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:20,240 what the actual temperatures but this we 465 00:14:24,069 --> 00:14:21,600 called this thing failed when it dropped 466 00:14:26,790 --> 00:14:24,079 below 40 degrees fahrenheit so 467 00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:26,800 it's not as cold in the aft as you might 468 00:14:30,550 --> 00:14:28,800 imagine it's probably in the 40s 469 00:14:33,350 --> 00:14:30,560 something like that 470 00:14:35,269 --> 00:14:33,360 okay irene 471 00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:35,279 um irene kloutz with reuters um i just 472 00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:38,320 had one follow-up mike moses for the um 473 00:14:42,710 --> 00:14:40,160 the scenario just laid out is this kind 474 00:14:44,790 --> 00:14:42,720 of a moot point though is there any um 475 00:14:47,189 --> 00:14:44,800 is the atlantis heaters 476 00:14:48,790 --> 00:14:47,199 not scheduled for this four-year check 477 00:14:50,629 --> 00:14:48,800 what is a good example of again on the 478 00:14:52,949 --> 00:14:50,639 thirdness so when we recognize that that 479 00:14:54,150 --> 00:14:52,959 this could have been a a problem that we 480 00:14:56,310 --> 00:14:54,160 caused by testing that we didn't 481 00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:56,320 recognize we caused uh we went back and 482 00:15:00,389 --> 00:14:58,320 looked everywhere else on this ship and 483 00:15:01,910 --> 00:15:00,399 on atlantis where we've done over temp 484 00:15:03,269 --> 00:15:01,920 thermostat checks 485 00:15:05,350 --> 00:15:03,279 to verify that we didn't have any 486 00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:05,360 unexpected current spikes in there that 487 00:15:08,629 --> 00:15:07,600 represented a loss of function so yeah 488 00:15:10,150 --> 00:15:08,639 we did go 489 00:15:12,470 --> 00:15:10,160 and check both the remainder of the 490 00:15:13,509 --> 00:15:12,480 heaters on this vehicle and on atlantis 491 00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:13,519 to make sure 492 00:15:15,990 --> 00:15:15,040 in a data standpoint reviewing the data 493 00:15:17,269 --> 00:15:16,000 to make sure we didn't cause any 494 00:15:19,269 --> 00:15:17,279 problems when we were doing any of those 495 00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:19,279 checkouts i don't recall specifically if 496 00:15:23,430 --> 00:15:21,120 we were doing any of this testing on 497 00:15:25,829 --> 00:15:23,440 atlantis given the interval nature of 498 00:15:27,750 --> 00:15:25,839 this test i doubt that atlantis had this 499 00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:27,760 specific test performed on it but but 500 00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:29,920 yeah so it was relevant in that we did 501 00:15:32,550 --> 00:15:31,199 our normal due diligence to check the 502 00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:32,560 rest of the fleet 503 00:15:34,870 --> 00:15:34,000 and not i have two other questions one 504 00:15:41,030 --> 00:15:34,880 is 505 00:15:42,310 --> 00:15:41,040 scheduled rollover since we spoke with 506 00:15:45,269 --> 00:15:42,320 you last um 507 00:15:46,870 --> 00:15:45,279 is there any uh further refinement on 508 00:15:47,829 --> 00:15:46,880 what the target launch date would be for 509 00:15:49,189 --> 00:15:47,839 that 510 00:15:51,430 --> 00:15:49,199 let's see mike the you guys are still 511 00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:51,440 playing in rollover on the seventh 512 00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:53,600 we'll roll over on 17th roll over from 513 00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:55,839 the opf to the vab on the 17th we'll 514 00:15:58,710 --> 00:15:57,120 we'll spend the night in the transfer 515 00:16:01,110 --> 00:15:58,720 aisle on the 17th and then go for mate 516 00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:01,120 to the external tank on the 18th and out 517 00:16:04,710 --> 00:16:03,440 to the pad the evening of the 31st of 518 00:16:06,949 --> 00:16:04,720 may 519 00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:06,959 200 first motion and hard down to pad 520 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:09,839 about 4am on june the 1st 521 00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:11,680 and so what remains to still be decided 522 00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:13,600 is once we're out at the pad that's a 523 00:16:17,189 --> 00:16:15,360 pretty fixed schedule based on when 134 524 00:16:19,189 --> 00:16:17,199 launches how fast the pad can be turned 525 00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:19,199 around and ready to receive atlantis and 526 00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:21,120 the stack so so that's when june 1st 527 00:16:25,189 --> 00:16:22,880 comes in to say that's when the 31st 528 00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:25,199 june 1st you're ready to be at the pad 529 00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:26,639 then we have the work at the pad how 530 00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:28,000 many contingency days we protect and 531 00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:29,519 what order we want to do them in that's 532 00:16:32,470 --> 00:16:30,800 what we're still kind of working through 533 00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:32,480 right now which will ultimately set what 534 00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:34,240 the launch date needs to be so we've 535 00:16:37,829 --> 00:16:36,240 narrowed down to within a week week and 536 00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:37,839 a half window and now we just got to 537 00:16:40,710 --> 00:16:39,600 figure out exactly what that date needs 538 00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:40,720 to be 539 00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:42,560 what is what's the window now or still 540 00:16:45,509 --> 00:16:43,839 same thing i told you last time which is 541 00:16:47,749 --> 00:16:45,519 around the second week in june or july i 542 00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:47,759 keep saying june second week of july 543 00:16:50,069 --> 00:16:48,639 thanks 544 00:16:52,069 --> 00:16:50,079 and i just had another question to you 545 00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:52,079 about the lightning um if there is a 546 00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:54,480 lightning strike within a half mile i 547 00:16:59,509 --> 00:16:57,600 guess from the pad when the sensors are 548 00:17:01,030 --> 00:16:59,519 activated what does that mean like when 549 00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:01,040 you're in the countdown i mean would 550 00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:03,120 things stop and would there be a re-test 551 00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:06,319 of of various systems or um how would 552 00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:09,120 that kind of play out in a real-time 553 00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:12,000 real-time mode 554 00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:14,559 well see the the criteria for retest is 555 00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:16,799 is if we get within a half a mile and we 556 00:17:21,029 --> 00:17:18,720 see indications that we've had induced 557 00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:21,039 voltage either to the stack or to the 558 00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:23,199 or to the the fixed service structure 559 00:17:27,029 --> 00:17:24,640 that would cause us to question whether 560 00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:27,039 we had any any need for a re-test there 561 00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:28,640 there are various systems out there that 562 00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:31,039 we that were used to see if we've had 563 00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:33,520 any induced voltage to the ship that has 564 00:17:36,310 --> 00:17:34,880 happened before in launch countdown i 565 00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:36,320 think you'll recall a couple of years or 566 00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:38,640 so ago we had a strike uh during the l 567 00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:41,520 minus two i believe it was and and uh so 568 00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:42,799 we were sitting in the l minus two 569 00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:44,320 lightning just like today and the phone 570 00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:45,520 started ringing 571 00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:47,280 and uh so then we went into retest on 572 00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:49,039 that one because that one actually had 573 00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:51,039 some induced voltage to the ship so it 574 00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:53,039 depends on where the strike is how how 575 00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:54,240 uh how 576 00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:56,240 intense the strike is 577 00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:58,160 kathy you want to go through your 578 00:18:01,990 --> 00:18:00,320 the systems that we use to detect sure 579 00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:02,000 we we have a cloud-to-ground light we 580 00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:02,960 have two different cloud-to-ground 581 00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:04,559 lightning systems we gather data from 582 00:18:08,230 --> 00:18:06,080 one is our local system and then we have 583 00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:08,240 the national system as well and so we 584 00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:10,160 provide data that we can actually give 585 00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:12,080 an ellipse given the different sensors 586 00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:14,160 and how many sensors detect that 587 00:18:17,909 --> 00:18:16,400 particular stroke we can give a 99 588 00:18:21,430 --> 00:18:17,919 confidence ellipse that the stroke 589 00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:21,440 occurred within this particular area so 590 00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:24,000 we'll do that after every uh lightning 591 00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:25,120 anytime we get lightning within five 592 00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:27,039 nautical miles we gather the data and we 593 00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:29,760 send it in to the to the team and then 594 00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:32,880 they do the analysis if necessary 595 00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:34,480 this afternoon 596 00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:36,640 there wasn't any uh 597 00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:38,080 the the cloud to ground lightning 598 00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:39,679 detection system gives us two pieces of 599 00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:41,440 information one it will give us more 600 00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:42,480 than that but the main things we're 601 00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:43,440 looking for when it comes to the 602 00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:45,840 distance is the actual first guess 603 00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:47,600 so there was no 604 00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:49,440 first guess within a half mile within 605 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,440 the pad perimeter and what what i do 606 00:18:55,029 --> 00:18:53,760 need to go back to do next is get the 607 00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:55,039 ellipse data and see if there was any 608 00:18:59,110 --> 00:18:57,200 ellipses within a half mile but right 609 00:19:00,630 --> 00:18:59,120 now there's not an indication yet but we 610 00:19:01,830 --> 00:19:00,640 like to be thorough and check all that 611 00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:01,840 all that data 612 00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,950 mark ratterman from talking space for 613 00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:08,160 mike moses 614 00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:09,440 another question on heaters and 615 00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:11,039 thermostats but not troubleshooting i 616 00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:12,640 understand the process that that you 617 00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:15,679 went through normal operation when uh in 618 00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:16,640 orbit 619 00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:18,880 do those multiple thermostats on each 620 00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:20,160 heater string 621 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,400 do they cause the heater operation to 622 00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:24,640 ramp up under colder and 623 00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:27,440 colder temperatures in the aft bay 624 00:19:30,549 --> 00:19:28,880 yeah correct so it's a pretty simple 625 00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:30,559 circuit there's basically a wire 626 00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:31,760 resistance 627 00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:33,280 heater it's just a coil of wire that 628 00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:34,480 when you run electricity through it gets 629 00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,480 hot there's two of them and they're both 630 00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:38,880 wrapped around the the pipe uh so one is 631 00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:40,320 powered by the a circuit one's powered 632 00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:43,520 by the b and then they have a thermostat 633 00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:45,679 co-located in the general environment 634 00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:46,720 and the exact placement of the 635 00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:49,440 thermostat is is dictated both by the 636 00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:51,280 the thermodynamics of where you need to 637 00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,960 be to sense it and then some limitations 638 00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:54,799 just by the geometry in the ship but so 639 00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:56,320 there's a sensor that's then co-located 640 00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:58,240 somewhere in that heater zone and when 641 00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,000 the temperature gets cold just like in 642 00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:02,640 your house that thermostat would open up 643 00:20:06,149 --> 00:20:04,559 or close it depends on how your how you 644 00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:06,159 want to look at it which would then turn 645 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,400 the heater on supply power heat warms up 646 00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:10,320 things get warm heater thermostat opens 647 00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:12,080 back up power gets removed and it's just 648 00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:13,919 this simple logic circuit as a as a 649 00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:15,840 little bi-metallic element rotates on 650 00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:18,159 and off and and turns power on and off 651 00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:19,600 the only thing that's unique about these 652 00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:22,080 that that you don't have in your normal 653 00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:24,000 coffee maker heater wiring is in that 654 00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:25,760 same circuit there's another thermostat 655 00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:28,080 which is meant to say if it gets too hot 656 00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:30,000 if that first thermostat fails and the 657 00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:32,080 heater comes on and stays on we don't 658 00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,080 want to over temp and melt anything so 659 00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:35,840 there's a thermostat directly in line 660 00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:37,760 with that heater and if it gets too hot 661 00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:40,080 it then turns itself off that's the one 662 00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:41,919 that had the problem the bare metal on 663 00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:43,360 it that we found was one of those over 664 00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:44,559 temp thermostats so we have control 665 00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:48,480 thermostats and over temp thermostats 666 00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,510 hi robert perlman with collectspace.com 667 00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,960 with just a quick follow-up for 668 00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:57,120 something mike limbach said 669 00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:58,799 just to verify 670 00:21:02,149 --> 00:21:00,320 given the date that you said for rollout 671 00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,159 for atlantis will that mean atlantis 672 00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,000 will be rolling out to the pad at the 673 00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:06,559 same time endeavour is landing given 674 00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:09,600 endeavors landing targeted for june 1st 675 00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:12,159 yeah it does say that and we've looked 676 00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:14,159 very hard at our workforce and and 677 00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:15,760 they're different people to take care of 678 00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:16,960 the landing and the rollout just 679 00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,960 completely different work crews and so 680 00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,799 if it does happen that way it'll be a 681 00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,799 very very special night 682 00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,480 landing 683 00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:26,080 we'll be rolling out to the pad we won't 684 00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:27,840 be hard down yet and then here comes 685 00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:29,919 endeavor back to ksc so it'll be a it'll 686 00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,000 be a nice night to witness and be part 687 00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:33,919 of 688 00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:34,720 okay 689 00:21:43,710 --> 00:21:41,750 hi ken kramer for space flight magazine 690 00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:43,720 i want to follow up on something from 691 00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:45,760 sts-135 you mentioned at the last 692 00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,720 briefing 693 00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,240 um you said you're going to do a tanking 694 00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:50,559 test i believe for 695 00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:53,520 that mission um and but why we did not 696 00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:56,159 need to do one for this mission 697 00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,360 sure ken so uh if we go back to the the 698 00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:01,039 previous slide sts-133 and that was 699 00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,720 et-137 700 00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:05,039 um that tank had the crack stringer that 701 00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,720 we found uh when we were loading for 702 00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,400 launch uh we went off in the 703 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:09,840 investigation and found that we had a 704 00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,400 problem with the metal basically 705 00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,320 the fracture toughness was lower than it 706 00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,320 needed to be and then with the stack up 707 00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,480 of assembly stresses and other events 708 00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,720 caused that crack so we went off and 709 00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:22,640 looked and we knew that et-137 and 710 00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:25,440 et-138 both had similar 711 00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,760 metal that was of that same lot and 712 00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,280 therefore had the chance to have a 713 00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,280 problem so we went ahead and modified uh 714 00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,000 both those tanks so et-138 is flying on 715 00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,080 sts-135 so it's it's flying on the 716 00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:38,559 atlantis mission this tank on on 717 00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,880 endeavors mission et-122 was 718 00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,280 manufactured about 10 years before that 719 00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,200 um it was taken kind of out of sequence 720 00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,360 because uh it had gotten damaged from 721 00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:49,600 hurricane katrina uh had to get some 722 00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,480 mods made to it to become a a tank that 723 00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:54,000 was built before we did all these return 724 00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:55,440 to flight mods we call those inline 725 00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:56,720 tanks that have 726 00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,840 been flying the ones we've been finding 727 00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,200 recently have all these design changes 728 00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:01,039 put on from the beginning so this one 729 00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:03,280 kind of had to be retrofitted 730 00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:04,000 so 731 00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:05,440 we didn't have the same metal on this 732 00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,880 tank as we had on the other tanks so we 733 00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,799 don't need to test this one for cracks 734 00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:11,120 to make sure that the the metal is not 735 00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,400 anywhere we don't want it to be because 736 00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,240 we know that was not in that in that 737 00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,000 batch and we have pretty conclusive 738 00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,480 proof of that we were able to uh we went 739 00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:19,840 ahead and modified the tank anyway 740 00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:21,280 because we hadn't yet proved that to 741 00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:23,200 ourselves and when we did that mod we 742 00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,720 captured enough samples to go test and 743 00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,400 prove that yep that was actually good 744 00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,080 metal and we did not really need to do 745 00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:29,840 that mod it's kind of an overkill 746 00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,760 band-aid but it did let us take the 747 00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:33,280 tanking test off the plate for this 748 00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:34,960 mission so because you did the 749 00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:37,360 modification that's why uh well no we've 750 00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,039 done the modification to all tanks so 751 00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,000 all et-137 et-122 and et-138 all three 752 00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:43,919 will have the modification it was that 753 00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:45,120 this one's made of a different lot of 754 00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:46,559 metal which is why we didn't need to 755 00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,760 test it 756 00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:49,279 okay marshall you had a follow-up yeah 757 00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,039 marcia done associated press for kathy 758 00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,799 what is the long-range forecast be on 759 00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:55,200 wednesday just true the weather looks 760 00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,559 good through the end of the week and as 761 00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,640 we get into next weekend another 762 00:24:01,669 --> 00:24:00,240 front comes into the area and so we'd 763 00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,679 start having problems again with the 764 00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,120 weather next weekend 765 00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:05,039 that's only relevant for our golf games 766 00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:06,880 not for lunch 767 00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,600 we're launching monday 768 00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:13,990 yeah thanks todd halverson of florida 769 00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:16,880 today for either mike given this is 770 00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,919 endeavour's last flight i'm wondering if 771 00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:22,320 you guys have any favorite 772 00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,470 uh well see for me 773 00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:33,039 endeavour is special because 774 00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,799 the endeavor was the 775 00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,480 the vehicle we had for my first lead 776 00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:39,360 flight director job sts-123 um working 777 00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,640 with that crew in this mission it was 778 00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:42,400 the first time i got to to follow a 779 00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,840 little more thoroughly how the orbiter 780 00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:45,360 was processed through normally when 781 00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:46,960 you're working mission control back in 782 00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,000 houston uh you're coming in more on the 783 00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,000 the crew timeline and and the orbiter is 784 00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,840 the orbiter and uh and it's the vehicle 785 00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:55,360 you're flying on but how it got 786 00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,640 processed and where it is in its flow 787 00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:58,080 you don't really pay attention to so 788 00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:59,279 endeavor was the first one where i 789 00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,640 started getting the updates from the 790 00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,559 cape as to what was going on down in the 791 00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,720 opf when it was rolling out came down to 792 00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,159 watch roll out so it was the first one i 793 00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,000 got to kind of follow along from how an 794 00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,159 orbiter actually gets from landing back 795 00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:12,559 to launch again and uh and so that 796 00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,760 that'll always be special to me that 797 00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,960 endeavor was the first one i got to do 798 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,559 that with 799 00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,640 well and for me you know 800 00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:19,919 i think i've talked about this before 801 00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:22,559 probably the first flow of endeavor uh 802 00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,400 will always be with me i was the nasa 803 00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,760 test director for that flow we did the 804 00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,320 flight and readiness firing firing 805 00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:30,400 and so the first one was was special 806 00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,679 because it was a brand new vehicle it 807 00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:33,279 was just as beautiful as it could 808 00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,960 possibly be 809 00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,480 i'll just say that the last time i went 810 00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:38,000 out to the patch he still looks awfully 811 00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:39,120 good out there 812 00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,799 got a lot of life left in her but that's 813 00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:43,360 not to be 814 00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:47,909 okay 815 00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,720 that will conclude today's sts-134 816 00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:53,039 pre-launch news conference please join 817 00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:54,960 us live on nasa television for our 818 00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,799 coverage of the 819 00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:58,880 launch which will begin at tanking 820 00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,760 coverage which starts at 11 30 tomorrow 821 00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:03,840 night that's eastern time it'll be 822 00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,559 followed by launch commentary for more 823 00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:08,799 information on the sts-134 mission and